tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292658395400626426.post5272338976019643229..comments2023-11-02T08:08:06.790-04:00Comments on Game Theory: Hospitaler Prestige Class- Like a Paladin...but worse!Franhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11385454256201274393noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292658395400626426.post-18284836785457133752015-12-04T13:45:57.932-05:002015-12-04T13:45:57.932-05:00I'm just gonna leave this here for posterity: ...I'm just gonna leave this here for posterity: this class is a trap. Clerics don't care about the BAB increase because they they already have the Divine Power spell that gives them BAB equal to their caster level way back at level 7 and this class reduces caster levels, and paladins don't care either because this class also delays spellcasting and dosen't advance their special mount which in 3.5 allowed you to get a very young gold dragon at level 11 as your personal Pokémon (look in the DMG under Special Mounts) to allow him to even survive the back end of the game. Way way back in 3.0 Hospitaler was an ok choice for clerics because it was full casting, but 3.5 came and beat it with the nerf stick so thoroughly as to be worse than just not having it on your character sheet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292658395400626426.post-85554625022963960982015-01-23T12:28:44.334-05:002015-01-23T12:28:44.334-05:00change subtitle yes for full paladins the class su...change subtitle yes for full paladins the class sucks but for multitasking its op like the horned harbinger if build well. liten to me put heirophant and all bosses die like roaches you even have a guild of clerics its like the knight of the middle circle guild. you forget items you must be anti paladin.you must be necro or somethingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292658395400626426.post-63898427260225795232011-10-01T12:01:42.599-04:002011-10-01T12:01:42.599-04:00I disagree. Take paladin2/cleric4/hospitaler. Base...I disagree. Take paladin2/cleric4/hospitaler. Base att 15 in 16 levels, good spellcasting, and some habilities of the paladin stack. I played once and like a lot. Very good classAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292658395400626426.post-83231580522600221812010-03-11T17:36:45.121-05:002010-03-11T17:36:45.121-05:00I still think that a cleric going into Hospitaler ...I still think that a cleric going into Hospitaler is a waste, a paladin as well. But you make an interesting point about a fighter dipping into cleric and then going for it. That could be a pretty decent build, capable of helping a party in multiple ways. Right now I am DMing (again) and I am going to make an NPC at some point that has that build. I'll let you know how it turns out. <br />The problem is the mounted combat feats for entry. I like mounted combat, it's very good. But the Hospitaler does nothing for it, the entry requirements seem unrelated to the class. That is why I think it's a weak class.<br />I'd be curious what you think of some of my other class reviews.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11385454256201274393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292658395400626426.post-10460040277048209512010-03-11T06:48:04.899-05:002010-03-11T06:48:04.899-05:00Or also, if your party already HAS a healer and yo...Or also, if your party already HAS a healer and you want to make a terrific "fifth member" that can both hang in serious fighting and make a more meaningful contribution to healing duties than a Paladin can, another terrific build would be to start off 4 fighter/2 cleric, then take 10 levels in Hospitaler, and then round out the last 4 levels up 'till 20 with whatever mix of fighter, (more bonus feats!)cleric (casting potential all the way up to level 13 for a net loss of 2 Base Attack!) or whatever mix of the two you care for. Heck, you could even squeeze in another prestige class for fun if you'd like. Maybe exotic weapon master?<br /><br />The important thing to look at here is that Hospitaler can turn a cleric into an ass-kicker, or it can turn a fighter into a fully-equipped backup cleric casting up to level 6 spells. And THAT is awesome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292658395400626426.post-3871452812634024852010-03-10T23:17:36.624-05:002010-03-10T23:17:36.624-05:00It's cross class sure, but if you take the Abl...It's cross class sure, but if you take the Able Learner feat from Races of Destiny you can buy cross class skill points at 1 point per, though you're still capped off at 1/2 what a class skill would be. Class skills caps off at your level +3, so by level 8 the max ranks you can have in a class skill is 11, and the max you can have in a cross-class skill is 5. Same from level 7, so qualifying AT level 8 is no problem. (High int is obviously a must if you're going to do this, of course, lest your heal, concentration, knowledge; religion, etc go neglected)<br /><br />Yes the investments into mounted combat are significant, but you -do- get three bonus feats in return, as well as a full base attack bonus. That is not too shabby. And lastly, don't be so quick to pooh-pooh the advantages a mount can bring in combat! If it's a large scale battle you can get to allies more quickly, and with the Ranged Touch metamagic feat cast healing spells from 30 feet away.<br /><br />Good stuff!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292658395400626426.post-64041474073271224502010-03-10T18:05:47.206-05:002010-03-10T18:05:47.206-05:00I disagree with the Cleric entry into the class. ...I disagree with the Cleric entry into the class. For starters Ride and Handle Animal are cross class for the Cleric so they can not get into Hospitaler until 10th level, which isn't a big deal since it is a 10 level prestige class. However it is a huge investment in skill points for a class that does not have many. Also, mounted combat and ride by attack do not seem like the best options for a cleric. Sure, you will get some bonus feats later on but they will just make up for what you wasted getting into the class. I think they would be better spent on divine feats or something magic related. <br />In the end you gain two points of base attack, but lose 3 levels of spellcasting. That hardly seems worth it. And your ability to turn powerful undead greatly suffers.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11385454256201274393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292658395400626426.post-76747760279080662912010-03-10T14:59:11.362-05:002010-03-10T14:59:11.362-05:00If you go into this class from Paladin, you're...If you go into this class from Paladin, you're doin' it wrong. A straight up cleric can qualify by level 8. Come level 20 your base attack is 17/12/7/2, you can cast level 9 spells, and it's cost you a few spells per day and put a dent in your will save. You also score some bonus feats for your trouble, which are just bonus joy at that point.<br /><br />Hospitaler is very very good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com